UMC Week 5
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And the winner is…
Big Toe!
Congratulations you Velcro-vest wearing maniacs! Well done.
So, wow. I think the headline for this week’s report is, “Big Toe Wins in Massive Upset!”
Indeed, as much as we all loved the Big Toe performance, the judges felt they were not the best band of the evening. However they won the crowd applause factor and, as we all know by now, the crowd applause factor factors heavily in the process.
Here is a breakdown of last night’s numbers.
A. In the crowd applause department:
1. Big Toe scored 112.1 on the db meter for a total of 30 points (10 points on each judge’s scoresheet).
2. The Cured scored 111.8db for a total of 22.5 (7.5 points on each judges sheet).
3. The Bad Blokes scored 102.6db for a total of 15 (5 points on each judges sheet).
4. Nutty scored 101.5db for a total of 7.5 (2.5 points on each judges sheet).
5. Rattle and Hum scored 95.2db for a total of 0 points.
B. The judges’ Totals (with applause factored):
Big Toe 253.5
Bad Blokes 247.5
Nutty 238
The Cured 222.5
Rattle and Hum 175
C. Judges’ picks (this is how the judges’ scoresheets would have looked had applause NOT been factored:
Bad Blokes 232
Nutty 230.5
Big Toe 223.5
The Cured 200
Rattle and Hum 175
D. Individual Judge’s Band Rankings (had there been no audience applause points awarded):
Dave “Dick” Patrone
Nutty 78
Bad Blokes 76.5
Big Toe 76
The Cured 66
Rattle 52
Alicia Champion
Bad Blokes 78
Nutty 78
Big Toe 77
Cured 67
Rattle – 63
Edwin Decker
Bad Blokes 78
Nutty 74
Big Toe 70.5
The Cured 69.5
Rattle and Hum 60.5
As you can see, Big Toe fell consistently in the middle of the pack, from the judges’ perspective, so this one was clearly decided by audience applause. And sure, on one level it blows that the best band (in my opinion) did not get through. But on another level, it is so thrilling and magical when such a large group of people adore their band enough to show up in droves and howl so loudly their uvulae rattles against their tonsils like boxers hitting speed bags. And guess what? I bet most of the people who cheered for Big Toe felt the best band did win last night, so… Atta boy Audience Applause Factor! Thank you for being you.
The night began with Rattle and Hum which was doomed to lose because, well, you have to be some sort of music masochist (musichist?) to join a U2 tribute band. Just think about all the nuance, talent and emotion that course through U2’s bloodstream. Think of all the time, energy and frustration it must take just to rise to the point of being even a shitty U2 tribute. I mean, if it were me, I’d say, “Hey guys, how about we just become a Gin Blossoms cover band, knock out a couple rehearsals, and be done with it?”
So, in the context of how difficult it is to impersonate U2, I’d say these guys did a good job. The two main problems being the guitar work, which, on its own was fine but, when compared to The Edge – his technical proficiency, his tones and effects, his artistry, the way his riffs filled the songs and not the other way around – well the difference between the two is the difference between lightning and the lightning bug.*
Ditto the vocalist who, while sounding very much like Bono, was often out of tune. (Author’s note: as I am now officially sick and tired of the term “pitchy,” I hereby refuse to use that word again in a musical context). In their defense, they told me backstage they couldn’t hear themselves in the monitor, and while that may have been an excuse, it could also have been true, and man, if there was ever a vocalist you needed to be able to hear yourself in the monitor while covering, it’s gotta be Bono Vox.
It was Alicia who made the comment that they should have called themselves Joshua Tree, because all their songs were from that album. She then said she would have preferred to have heard different songs from different eras but, while I too would’ve liked to have heard something from War, or Boy, or October, I didn’t see a problem with them devoting a set to Joshua Tree and am guessing that, had they advanced to the next round, they would have covered a different album from a different era. I get that strategy, think it could work, and would’ve liked to have seen it pan out.
After we made our comments, the lead singer of Rattle and Hum said, “You guys are great! American Idol should have judges like you.”
I thought he was being sarcastic, especially after Dave, “The Dick Judge” Patrone, made a couple of snarky comments about blowing a lyric of one of the songs. When I went back stage to take their photo, I asked the singer if the American Idol comment was meant to be sarcastic. His jaw dropped.
“No no no!” he said. “I was serious.”
One of the other guys chimed in, “We thought you guys were honest and forthright. All the American idol judges ever do is repeat themselves.”
”Besides,” the singer added, “we would never shoot ourselves in the foot like that.”
I told them that even if they were being sarcastic, that’s ok because sarcasm is acceptable in this venue and would not be held against them in the judging process even if it weren’t. He assured me that he was being sincere which impressed me. Not because they thought we were good judges, but because we had been rather hard on them, yet they responded positively. They didn’t just dismiss the judges as retards and continue making the same mistakes instead of looking inward to see what might be wrong and what could be corrected. Not that we’re always right about everything, but that we might be right about some things.
I took their photo, shook their hands, and headed back to the judges’ table thinking, I wish there were more people like that in the world.
Speaking of the kind of people we need more people to be like in the world, next came Big Toe: This guy is amazing. He is so positive, thoughtful, passionate, skilled and motivated – it’s kind of frightening to think what he would’ve accomplished in the world had he had all his arms.
The Big Toe set was great and the only reasons why I think they were inferior to Bad Blokes and Nutty, were:
1. Song selections: all of the bands they covered were middle of the road rockers like Candlebox, Collective Soul, Bush and Seven Mary Three. Bleh.
2. I didn’t hear much in the way of “dynamics” (also an overused, soon to be unmentionable term).
If you remember, Alicia said the Bad Blokes were too bright (as in too tinny, too high-endy), which was true. Conversely, I thought Big Toe was too midrange-centric, almost muddy even, which leads to a reduction of separation and, of course, bad dynam…, er, you know, the D-word. Keep in mind, these are nit-picky sentiments but, in a competition this fierce, this close, it comes down to the details and partly why, I believe the Blokes or Nutty should have won.
However, if you guys are out there reading this, you should know – every word I said last night was true. I loved your set. Your band is a force, and you, Mr. Toe, are one of those one-in-a-million types who should be a role model for the other 999 thousand of us. You said it best when, after The Dick commented on how difficult it is to sing high notes while sitting down, you responded, “No Excuses.” I mean, if ever a person had an excuse, Brother, it’s you, so Kudos! I look forward to seeing you in the next round.
Next came the Clay Colton Ba…, er, I mean the Bad Blokes.
Here’s a little back story:
You probably didn’t notice, I was rather late getting to the DreamCatcher last night. This is because I had come from an event on which I was working all day.
It was called the CityBeat Festival of Beers and the few of us who organized it had been working like dogs all week. Then, on Sunday morning, 4:30am, after about 3 hours of sleep, I dragged my ass out of bed and over to the site in North Park where I ran around all day putting out fires and plugging holes in dikes until 5:45pm, then rushed down to UMC to bring you all an amazingly brilliant and insightful musical commentary despite great adversity.
Ok, maybe not so much.
The point is, after Big Toe played, and the set change began, it all pretty much caught up to me. At that moment, all the Red Bulls, espressos and Diet Cokes I drank to keep me going finally caught up and I crashed, but hard. So there I was, waiting for the Clay Colton Ba…, er, the Bad Blokes to start, using cocktail stirrers to pry my eyelids open, when the music started and changed everything. It was like somebody had popped open another Red Bull; a giant one; a Red Bull so big it took up the entire stage, then poured every last drop of its glorious contents into my gullet, all at once, like a beer bong.
Then it was blast off time.
I mean, these guys weren’t just energetic, they were energy in a can! And every chair in that room got a little bit of a break as every ass leaned forward to receive the wonder and the majesty of the Colton Blokes.
Yes, Alicia was right, they were bright, but I didn’t agree with her opinion of the Dyna, er, the D-word, which she said was a relentless “wall of sound” (not to be confused with Phil Spector’s sound wall). The reason I didn’t agree was because that’s what the types of bands they were emulating (Flogging Molly, Dropkick Murphies) sound like. They too have a relentless, in your face, “wall of sound” sound. Furthermore, in a 20 minute set, I don’t think a breakdown is all that necessary. In an hour set, sure, one would be in order, but in a 20 minute set, go ahead and blast me man, blast me with your wall!!
It was Alicia who also noted that the one U2 song they covered, “Desire,” came off the Rattle and Hum record, which made me wonder if they did that because they knew Rattle and Hum was booked and it was a shout out to them, or just a coincidence. Either way, it was a welcome bit of irony as Rattle and Hum did not do a song off Rattle and Hum yet the Bad Colton’s did.
Anyway, I could go on about these guys. Suffice to say, I’m now a huge fan of both the Clay Colton Band and the Bad Blokes, and I would love to see any other outfits they have. And if they don’t, perhaps they should start some, such as, say, a tribute to the 80s, which they can call, The Clayties All Stars, or Coltplay (a tribute to Coldplay), or maybe a zydeco and Cajun group called The Clayfish, or, I know, how about a band that covers Jewish folk music (The Clayzmers)? Just a thought fellas, you should consider it.
After the Blokes came the appropriately named Nutty, my second pick of the evening. These guys weaved lounge versions of rock songs with big band and jazz staples making them virtually original compositions (think piano tie-wearing, Princess Cruise, lounge singer doing “Baba O’Reilly”), like Mancini’s “The Pink Panther theme” weaved into Hendrix’s “Purple Haze,” or Blue Oyster Cult’s “Don’t Fear the Reaper” merged with Louis Prima’s, “Sing, Sing, Sing.”
The result was hilarious while at the same time containing bountiful musical prowess.
After Nutty played, The Dick got himself into a bit of hot water with the crowd.
Alicia had made the premonitory comment, “This one’s gonna come down to the audience applause,” to which Patrone responded, “It’s too bad because the audience doesn’t know what the fuck they’re listening to.”
Oh man, he got some boos on that humdinger. But I get what he was saying. I also think they were considered too much of a novelty act by many. Their musical agility was overshadowed by their humor and, because their humor wasn’t really working on a segment of the crowd, I believe they tuned out Nutty’s awesome musicianship as a result. Of course, the point could have been made with a tad more tact, but he is The Dick Judge after all, and God love him for it.
Lastly came The Cured which I enjoyed, despite that they were hardly perfect. Of course I was booed for saying so, but the main problem with the Cured was the same as the problem with Rattle and Hum: Which is to say, both singers sounded like their alter-egos, but both of them were pitc…, er, I mean, kept dropping out of tune. And The Cured singer, Zippy, would make these periodic barking sounds to accent Robert Smith’s style. Admittedly, Robert Smith does the same sort of thing, but far less intrusively, thereby making Zippy’s eructates more of a caricature than an impersonation. Still, I think the barking problem can easily be fixed (come off the mic a bit, and work on making the barks sound more like notes). Once resolved, I think The Cured might have something there.
Ed Decker
Judge #1
* From a Mark Twain quote: “The difference between the right word and the almost-right word is the difference between lightning and the lightning bug.
Congrats to Bigtoe. way to go Mark.
Congrats to Mark/Big Toe!
Apparently I’ve been going about playing stringed instruments entirely all the wrong way!
Looking forward to Darrell Fields & Purple Haze next Sunday also. Hoping he doesn’t succumb to any of my own personal conspiracy theories..
First Band Conspiracy, Bad Mix Conspiracy, and my latest theory, Judge’s Preoccupation With Technical Accuracy Over an Inspired Performance Conspiracy (Ed excluded).
Last night was a ton of fun. What a diverse range of music. Congrats to Big Toe. What an inspiration to see. Ed, you have The Cured listed twice on the crowd applause. I don’t know how you guys judge such different styles of music. I knew I should of slipped Patrone an extra $20. We talked to Rattle and Hum about playing U2 before hand. Why does the band name have to have the singers name in it? But I am just one of the out of focus guys so who cares? Ed, are you going to post the photos you took? Hey did you hear about the drummer that locked his keys in the car…..
Last night I saw lightning and I saw lightning bugs. It’s too bad so many people were wearing sunglasses… or blinders as it were…
Nutty was the epitome of creative intelligence, musical dexterity, broad dynamics and clean pitch. I couldn’t give them a huge score on “crowd response” because they didn’t get one like the other bands; but, their cerebral song selection mixed with the highest level of musicianship I’ve seen so far in this challenge made me cringe when I saw the numbers. The singer wasn’t singing tremendously difficult lines or demonstrating a big range but he never missed a note and that’s more that I can say for the other bands. The construction of tunes and arrangements was unparalleled by any band so far and the only thing stopping them from winning was the inability of the crowd to recognize those aspects.
But, that’s part of what this competition is about. The audience is a BIG DEAL, factored twice, and that’s why we encourage all of the bands to “bring all yo peeps.”
Don’t get me wrong Big Toe! You were great! You had that crowd and you guys definitely grooved. You deserved to win last night, all things considered. I knew what was going to happen after Nutty’s set was concluded and that’s why I got sour on the crowd. For a room full of musicians, I am disappointed that they didn’t respond to what was obviously a set of music directed at them.
The Bad Blokes were also awesome and Ed is definitely wrong about dynamics. You have to demonstrate dynamics no matter who you are emulating. Even on a short set, you gotta hit, back off, set up and then deliver a finale. Compare it to telling a joke, I don’t care how short a joke is, you can’t just give a punchline, you need to set it up and contrast and surprise. That’s one of the things I liked about Clay Colton’s set a couple of weeks ago and I said it on the mic. They did a ballad and it was great to feel them working a set rather than overloading us with a Phil Specter-like wall of noise.
It was like an Irish Jam Band or something. A GOOD, Irish jam band mind you…
ANYWAY,
All of the bands were interesting to watch and I had one of the best nights so far last night. “Rattle and Hum” and “The Cured” both had me reminiscing of the times when each of those bands meant something special to me. I saw The Cure at Vet Stadium in 1988 and it was one of my favorite concert experiences. I had Joshua Tree on permanent rotation in my jeep’s CD player, in fact, the reason I bought a CD changer for my Jeep was because of that album. I couldn’t stand waiting for rewind on the tape player anymore!
DP
Odd no one mentioned that The Cured had half of the audience dancing thier entire set. Big toe had a few people on the floor “watching” him, but The Cured by far had the best reaction with the audience of the night. When the Judges asked the crowd who they thought should win; the entire crown erupted in unison….”THE CURED”!!!
Maybe whoever wrote this blog was so tired from writing 8 paragraphs about the U2 band that he only had the energy to write a half a paragraph of negative comments about The Cured and cpmpletely omit the fact that the crowd went completely ape shit over them?
It was an interesting night for sure… as far as trying to guess who would win. The lovely Mary got it right, I guessed wrong. First I will say that Nutty was the best act musically, for all the reasons previously stated. I knew the crowd factor would leave them high and dry. HOWEVER! I don’t think it was because the performance was above the audiences head. On the contrary, I thought the crowd response to Nutty was exactly in line with the set. The lounge act put the crowd into a lounge mode… and we were in a trance, laughing, snapping our fingers and calling each other “cats”. They could have used their home town crowd to snap us out of our hypnotic lounge trance. Alas, they are from LA.
Rattle and Hum was close but no cigar on the entertainment meter. The singing was like hearing someone on a cellphone dropping every other word… and that was driving me up the wall. The guitar tone was piercing and that brings up a pet peeve of mine.
When Big Toe was gettin’ ready to play, I heard the “Matilda” guitar player cranking the mids. At first I was thinkin’ about how cool his Les Paul sounded through the twin then he screwed it up when he changed the tone! Not that the tone was bad but he boosted the mids right into the vocal range.
The Blokes had the same problem but not the guitar tone, it was the accordian and Caveman’s tone. Only during the singing. Too much mids! That’s what gave the impression that they were lacking in dynamics. It was fine during the beer drinking moments but if you want to feature the singing you have to get out of the way!
Just my opinion, mind you.
I thought the Cured really got the crowd so that was my guess. In retrospect I can see that their set was more contrived. Where Big Toe was more authentic with the crowd interaction. Yes you guys rocked!!!
My two cents, turn the mids down on the guitar and the volume up (which you can do with less mids) You won’t compete with the singing then. During the leads use a tone booster like Java Boost to bring the mids back in play. Then you don’t need to crank the leads.
The Cured had half of the room dancing! Even people who thought they weren’t Cure fans! I think that they had the biggest crossover fans that night and they definitely captured the eye of the audience. When you analyze the data, it becomes clear how important the crowd is…
Actually, The Cured turned out to be a major spoiler! Had they not gotten such great applause, Bad Blokes would have gotten a higher applause rating and would have actually beaten Big Toe. AND, had the Cured gotten less than half a decibel higher in applause, Bad Blokes also would have won!
If The Cured would have gotten a half decibel higher in applause, the final scores would have looked like this:
Bad Blokes 247.5
Big Toe 246.0
Nutty 238
The Cured 230
Rattle and Hum 175
If The Cured would have gotten 9.5 decibels less, then this is how it would have looked:
Bad Blokes 255
Big Toe 253.5
Nutty 238
The Cured 215
Rattle and Hum 175
So Big Toe! Give it up for The Cured!!
Big Toe is My Hero – Has been for years, always will be. When I’m 80 years old and I show up to a gig with arthritis or a cut finger or a missing rib (it happens, right?), I’ll think “Big toe did it with his damn feet!!!! And the show will go on…… LONG LIVE BIG TOE!! WELL DONE!!
Hey Darcy, I’m the “whoever wrote this blog” guy that you mentioned and let me assure you, the fact that I spent more time writing about Rattle and Hum than The Cured was not a factor of me being tired. I just had more to say about them is all.
As for your comment that The Cured had more people dancing than Big Toe, yeah, and your point is? The audience applause meter doesn’t register dancing. It registers audible reactions, as in, applause, which Big Toe clearly won.
I would also like to add that danceablilty does not necessarily mean superiority. Some genres are more danceable than others, but that don’t mean they’re better. Case in point, you can’t dance to a single King Crimson song, but they blow Britney Spears out of the water every time.
And I’ve never heard of anyone dancing to Nick Drake, but that don’t mean he isn’t twice as awesome as the Bronski Beat. I’m just sayin’
Patrone, about your comment, “…Ed is definitely wrong about dynamics. You have to demonstrate dynamics no matter who you are emulating. Even on a short set, you gotta hit, back off, set up and then deliver a finale. Compare it to telling a joke, I don’t care how short a joke is, you can’t just give a punchline, you need to set it up and contrast and surprise.”
Really, Dick?
So, at what point in a Sex Pistols show did they “hit and back off”?
Where were the peaks and valleys in a Germs concert?
The Dropkick Murphies and Flogging Molly are basically Celtic punk bands and there is seldom any “hitting or backing off” in any of their live or studio sessions.
And, as far jokes go, where, exactly, is the lull in this George Carlin joke?:
“Whose cruel idea was it for the word “Lisp” to have an “S” in it?
or this:
“Why is it called tourist season if we can’t shoot at them?”
Like the 20 minute set, these are quick one-liners that do not require setup or contrast.
You had to use punk music to try and prove that point; however, as irritating and useless as I find punk music MUSICALLY,
Johnny Rotten and Sid Vicious were both charismatic and dynamic frontmen. Unpredictable. Their very lives and their lyrics and performances were dynamic. Musically, Punk was just a reaction, like a rash. It emerged from the influence of the “Garage Rock” bands of the US in the late 50′s an 60s as a reaction to over-production style music that was popular at the time. A reaction, a change, a new idea. Dynamic.
Every successful performer uses dynamics, not just volume or tempo dynamics. George Carlin used a plethora of dynamics in his delivery. uncomfortable pauses, yelling, accents, facial expressions, weird walking, body language, different names, speed of delivery, George was one of the most dynamic of entertainers. He would even switch it up to let the crowd listen to his swallow…
THAT is dynamic. that is Surprise! the very essence of Dynamics is surprise, change, the expression of a new idea.
I saw the Dropkick Murphys in concert and they do wailing balladish tunes and they change it up, most definitely. They start out a few tunes mellow and then they kick it in to gear… that would be a dynamic.
The dynamic is actually inside those Carlin jokes and in one, the sudden turn it takes in association. Not to mention, he usually puts jokes like that right in the middle of something else; so that the joke itself is the surprise. Surprise is the basic ingredient in comedy. Surprise is as dynamic as it gets. The LISP is a surprise revelation, the setup already exists before the joke starts.
In fact, surprise is the ultimate dynamic, everyone gets it. Nuance is the subtle stuff of the connoisseur.
BTW I’m proud of the fact that I don’t know who The Germs are.
Dave, first of all, thank you for the lesson on the history and origins of punk rock. Here I was all the time thinking punk was a reaction to how Ronald Reagan handled the air traffic controller’s strike in 1981 only to learn it was a pushback against corporate, bombastic, mass consumption music.
You are correct sir, there are dynamics in all the things you spoke of, especially George Carlin (my hero), good jokes, and Dropkick Murphy shows. Indeed, there are dynamics in EVERYTHING.
However, I believe that Alicia was talking about the dynamics of the Bad Blokes in a more simplistic sense, that they didn’t slow their tempo, and pretty much slammed their way through the set. She pretty much said as much.
So we’re not talking about how artists lived their lives or how dynamics were buried “inside” the jokes. If this was what we are talking about then, without a doubt, the Bad Blokes conveyed a shit-ton of dynamics.
But on a more superficial level – the tempo, volume, the lack of ‘mixing it up’ – I stand by me assertion that, in a 20 minute set, that is not necessarily necessary.
If this is not what we’re talking about, then I agree with you, all art needs dynamics, but I disagree that The Blokes didn’t have any.
Oh,and sure, when you saw Dropkicks, they played wailing ballads. But I’m quite certain that their set was over an hour. And I would bet a lot of money that it was well after the 20-minute mark that they played their first softy.
Even if I’m wrong about that, take any average hard rock or metal concert and ask yourself how many of those bands performed a ballad in the first 20 minutes. So, would that make the first 20 minutes a throwaway? Or did you rock out with your frock out?
I’m guessing the latter.
Now admit you are wrong and buy me a Rumplemintz next Sunday.
Gotta clarify real quick – dynamics has nothing to do with tempo. It’s about volume/ intensity/ energy.
ha ha ha! the thought of EITHER of you admitting “wrongness” is hilarious!
~~Peace
LHC — love your new “conspiracy” thoughts!
The original judging criteria listed the 20% “Audience Response” category as “participation/response, crowd noise/applause via decibel reading”. To some this might mean there is 10% allocated for each. However, it sounds like this category is just the applause meter and no subjective points from the judges? Just curious if having the dance floor full counts even if the db reading isn’t as high as another band.
no, the entire crowd did not yell out The Cured in unison. Unless by “entire crowd” you mean your friends sitting at the same table. I for one was yelling Nutty in my best Austin Powers voice.
Damn Kids! Stop fighting about my dynamics!! I’ll settle this for you. Ed – thanks, it’s all about balls and hard energy in this music and that’s what we were driving for. David – as you heard before, I love dynamics and am usually all about them – that’s why our last song was going to be our big dynamic climax, where we take it down to the ground with a whispering breakdown, then build back up to an explosion of ballsack (no hernia joke intended). Alas, we somehow took longer than expected to get there and Casey ran out to show me the 2 minute sign at the beginning of that song, so I skipped half the parts and rushed to the ending.
In short – Ed, thanks for your love and support, but Dave – you win, you’re right, I agree, but that’s why.
Stay tuned next year for “When the Coltons Come Marching in on a Hot Clay Roof” – the tribute to New Orleans Dixieland Jazz!
Hey we had fun!!
Even if we got beat on the decibel meter by 3/10th of ONE Db…lol!
I got to meet guys from all the bands and the judges and they are all really cool dudes!!
I’m not much for all the controversy stuff… but I would like to add a different perspective.
A band’s job sometimes is to entertain. Another way of measuring a band is on how many people were entertained, not just their musical prowess. While perhaps acts like Britney, Poison, the Sex Pistols and countless others who are nearly devoid of musical skill the masses love them. There are also performers such as Yngwie Malmsteen and Rush who are musical acrobats and can only draw a couple dozen mullet-sporting tweekers to their shows.
In our case, I am not one bit insulted that judges rated the other bands as musically better than us. That was their job to do so in this instance. However, I am extremely happy by our audience response. The fact that more than half the audience immediately got out of their chairs and crowded around the stage and not only danced but cheered wildly after every song tells me we are doing something right. Our band was never formed to impress other musicians, our goal from our conception was to entertain as many people as possible and the fact that we can bring 1600+ people to places like 4th&B, The Knitting Factory and at least 8 House of Blues and countless other large venues around the USA tells me that as flawed as we are, there is a large market for acts like us. We will never have to play the Second Wind or The Navajo.
Those who attend our shows have a good time and are entertained! That seems to be much more important to the venues operators as well as the attendees where we play than if we botch a note or 12.
BTW, I would like to say again that the judges were right on….I am just mentioning that often other factors beside precision matter in a performance.
Love you all!!
Zippy – the barking singer of The Cured
We danced to The Cured on Sunday night, because we recognized the songs, and we were just having a good time dancing. The singer was fun to watch as well. But, I have to say, that although I would have probably never gone to watch a band like the Blokes before, because I don’t know much about that music, when we walked into the Dreamcatcher, they caught my attention right away. The music was so energetic and they looked like they were having fun up there. I found myself moving my feet to this band. That’s why I love the diversity of the bands in the competition. I like that the audience is introduced to things that maybe they haven’t seen or heard or even given the chance before. There is another guy called Richard Cheese who does something similar to the Nutty Band. He does Snoop Dog and Rage Against the Machine in Jazz style. It’s pretty hilarious to hear him singing “Rollin’ down the street smokin’ indo” but Jazzy. The one thing that I would like to comment on is, just because people are dancing and yelling, doesn’t always necessarily mean that the band performing is the “best” band. I have seen dance floors packed while bands played, and then I have seen a packed venue with everyone sitting down just watching, and then the band finishes a song and gets a standing ovation. So, a packed dance floor doesn’t always mean everything. It really depends on what the crowd wants from the band and what the crowd likes about that band. Some crowds may just want to dance all night and party, others may want to sit back and feel like they are watching a concert. So, it’s hard to say. But, I had a lot of fun that night. Again, it was just so awesome to walk into the Dreamcatcher and see all of those people there supporting their favorite bands. I thought that was really cool. Have a great day everyone!
Zippy, you guys were very entertaining and a lot of fun. We danced the whole time. I loved the outfits and your character. I looked at your website and saw the packed crowds you have played. The Cure wasn’t really in my time ..I was more of a 90′s girl, but I do like some of those songs and you had us dancing! Keep doing your thing! =) Much success to you!
Wait until I get my B-52s band together!!! I can sing as bad as Fred too!!
Clay, make it “When the Coltons Come Marching Like a Fiddler on a Hot Clay Roof” and you’ve got the Jews too!
Zippy: You guys were great and it’s no wonder everyone dug you. get that keyboard player back from new zealand and work on the RS accent and you’ll be even better!
Sound Meter: There are two lines for Participation on the form. One is for the Judges to evaluate the crowd response and the other is strictly a decibel reading. Audience in one form or another gets 20%
Ed: If being right is wrong, then I don’t want to be right.
btw, I would much rather reply to these people using the reply button and making daughter windows so that they could see who I was talking to. This one stream thing is annoying.
Unlike Ed, I loved the song selection for Big Toe. It’s the kind of music that compels me to go to the front of the stage and rock with the band. Although Mark had some difficulty hitting the high notes, the songs were well suited for his voice for the most part. I think the magic ingredient that put them over the top was an energy that they put out to the crowd and the crowd gave back to them. Were they the most technically gifted to musicians to take the stage that night? No, but they are the band I enjoyed the most.
The music of U2 is a genre that could get me to go up front and I thought they did a great job at capturing the persona of the band, but honestly the guitar tone kept me in the back of the room. I’m sure getting the warm tone of The Edge takes big bucks and a lot of engineering know-how. They have lots of potential.
The Bad Blokes – great band and musicians. If my family tree had more Irish in it, I may get up out of my chair and bounce around like a leprechaun, but the best I could do was give them a well deserved healthy round of applause. I’m sure the crowds go crazy for them at the Irish pubs and festivals. They have given inspiration to the thought of entering next year as five different tribute bands.
Nutty – for me Dave M. hit the nail on the head. I would not be surprised if they all had degrees in music. It was brilliant, cleaver and amusing, but it was a lounge act and a parody. I bet they could sell albums, but not fill the floor with exuberant fans. That does not mean I am incapable of admiring their musicianship. They had me smiling and chuckling.
The Cured – It seemed they did bring the biggest fan base and had lots of dancers on the floor. I’m sure they were a great tribute, but as a matter of musical taste I just never got into the Cure. I’m sure they are a successful act and make lots of money doing what they do. Zippy, I met you before the show and you seem like a cool guy, but as a Rush fan I do not sport a mullet nor am I a tweaker. Rush formed in 1968 and their career is still going strong, so I would say their success story speaks for itself. I’m not sure if you were intentionally taking a shot at other bands with your comments, but I do play at the Second Wind bars as well as large venues and I enjoy playing anywhere that has a good sound, happy fans and compensates me fairly. It’s not just a job, it’s an adventure. It was great seeing Jamie again after all these years. Best of luck to you.
Zippy – Concur!
LovinTheMusic – the short answer is, yes, the judges do have the audience response category in which to grade how the band is connecting with the audience and how the audience is receiving it. And yes, a full dance floor will affect that score, but, speaking for myself only, There are all sorts of ways for the band to connect and I take into account whether it’s a dance band in the first place.
In other words, I do not overstate the dance floor status and I would not hold it against, say, a Motorhead cover band, if they got less dancers than a B52s Cover band (P.S. Zippy, BRING IT BABY!)
Clay – You are on my list.
Patrone – The fact that Clay had planned more dynamics than we had heard takes NOTHING away from the fact that their 20 minute set was gorgeously fierce, and full of, what I will now call “minutia” dynamics (the buried kind of dynamics we were talking about earlier)
Furthermore, If Clay had planned on giving us some of the “superficial dynamics” (tempo,volume, peaks and valleys) in the last song, dare I say, wouldn’t that be too late?
Isn’t the whole point of superficial dynamics to bring the listener up and down? to form a contrast? To bring them back down so that when you bring them back up they come up that much higher and more intensely?
So, if you do that on the last song, how you gonna get back up? If you do it on the last song, does that mean all the songs leading up to that point were bunk? Sorry man, you and Clay are both wrong about this and you are both on my list.
C’mond Dave M., you are usually the voice of reason around here. YOu gonna back a brother up? Tom? Colleen even? Don’t y’all want to stay off my lists?
The list changes from week to week, but Currently, on the Week 5 list is:
Darcy
Clay Colton
Dave Patrone
Anyone else?
Does anyone else find this a better way to comment than using the sub-content “reply” windows for replies. So far, it’s working for me. I hated the sub-windows. I couldn’t find half the posts and now I can. Let’s take a vote on this. Right now the vote is:
Against sub windows 1 (ed)
For Sub windows 1 (Dave)
Alicia is now on my list
I’m against sub windows!!! Way to go Mark! Looking forward to seeing you next week with Alice!!!
I love sub Windows!
Hey Tom (from Monsters of Rock)?…. I would NEVER take a shot or say anything bad about another band. When I mentioned Second Wind I wasn’t taking a dig at you or anyone else in particular. Actually I’ve never seen you guys yet but I’ve heard nothing but good things!!
I probably could have used a better example than Rush, I realize some normal people still like them too. I was just using them for an analogy to make a point. My Bad.
Peace
-Z
Proud to be on the list…I’m sure me and all of the other past list-makers will have a glorious rager in hell one day and I’m hoping you, Ed, will be the toast master, as I’m sure you will one day end up on your own list. Hey, got a copy of that photo of us on the golf cart? Would love to have that – send to clay@claycolton.com
P.S. – any future UMC bands need a guitar player or vocalist? I need more of this!! I can play the crap out of the Marimba if needed.
Zippy, no problem. I don’t know if I’m exactly “normal”, but close enough I hope. And I get your point. Whether you advance or not you are a successful band. You’ve only gained more exposure and new fans by competing. A fraction of a decimal can make or break any band in this competition.
OK Ed, I don’t know if this will keep me off the list or not. Dynamics does have a lot of meanings. I happen to think it starts with tone – tone of the guitars, amps, tuning of the drums etc. If those things aren’t in sync with each other the instruments compete for the same frequencies and the mix looses definition. The result is everything seems too loud all the time. The sound guy has a role in it, but it starts on the stage. Then there are the crescendos, diminuendos, accents, tempos and stage presence. These all add to that magical energy and mood that gets transferred back and forth from band to audience.
Some genres of music are inherently more dynamic than others. If I were in a Metallica tribute band I would hope to not be penalized for being high energy in your face balls out metal from start to finish. If I were in a Pink Floyd tribute I’d expect to get ripped apart by the judges if there were no dynamics.
During the Blokes I was probably paying more attention to Gavin smiling and bouncing in his chair as he has much more Irish blood in him than I, so I can’t speak specifically to their dynamics.
And I do like to pick up where I left off reading the blog rather than scrolling up.
Colleen seems suspiciously quiet this week.
In response to Tom’s post, I have three things to say.
1. You are off the list, for now.
2. I agree with everything you say. And, if I may be so bold, your comments are, basically, in agreement with me. The D-word has many meanings but with regard to “in your face” vs. “nuance” nuance is not always necessary, or better.
3. Because the D-word has so many meanings,it therefore has no meaning, which is one reason why I decided to ban it (the other being overuse). Because when someone says, “Your band lacks the d-word, it’s as useless as saying, “your band lacks ‘niceness.’” I for one will no longer use this term. It is, like the P-word, on my list.
4. Collen is afraid of being on the list.
5. It is now 3-1 in favor of using the vertical, unbroken comment string.
I have spoken
ed
Clay, i’m a little jammed up right now, if you remind me later in the week I will post the photos and/or send them to you.
I prefer the linear blog, no sub windows.
Tom’s explanation of dynamics is right on. Proper tone is half the battle. Of course the other half is the talent part. Having the skill and experience to musically express yourself in an ensemble. One player who is not on the same page dynamically can ruin the performance, even if that person is rippin’ it up.
I want to emphasize Tom’s point about tone and the frequency spectrum. If you want to feature the singing then get out of the way! You might think your guitar tone isn’t as nice if you cut the mids but you can turn it up a bit more if you do and you will leave plenty of room for the singing.
A word about the room… The subs are boomier downstairs compared to the balcony where the board is. Not so bad really but it gets worse for the listener as you move back under the overhang and farther back by the bar.
I’ve noticed this about the room as well. Not to mention the air conditioning ducts we were sitting under made me feel like I was in a meat locker. We will be moving up a few rows. I’ll just have to take a longer walk for my hootch.
Oh, I see now why Alicia is on your (sub) list. ha ha
Tempo IS a part of dynamics (or whatever Ed wants to call it) if the performers use tempo change as musical expression.
Wiki…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamics_(music)
no sub windows.
as usual, Dave M. pops in to endow us with his remarkable ability to use reason, intellect and common sense.
Yes Dave M., exactly right, tempo is most definitely part of the D-Word as it most definitely can and is used as a tool to express one’s self artistically.
bravo D.M, you have shined a light into the darkness once again.
The reason the daughter window thing doesn’t matter this week is because we’re all talking about the same thing. If you just want to read all comments in order, just read them as they come in your inbox, but if there are separate conversations going on here they should be in their own threads.
DP,
You are out numbered!!! Have a rockstar and get over it..
Dynamics are, simply put, expression. A good entertainer can express themselves in a variety of ways. Good entertainers hone a variety of tools to have the background to create a dynamic performance. Using limited skills; using a limited toolbox to create something has an interesting effect; but, it’s rather like watching the guy with a chainsaw carving out woodsy caricatures in logs. I think that’s really neat to be able to make a bear wearing suspenders out of a log using only a chainsaw; but, there’s NEAT and then there’s Michaelangelo. Ed said it best when he quoted someone else:
Lightning vs lightning bugs.
Although, I’m willing to bet that Michaelangelo would find the guy with the chainsaw interesting too! In fact, I’ll bet Michaelangelo could have carved a hell of a bear with a chainsaw. I often sit up late at night and wonder what kinds of things Michaelangelo might have accomplished with a few Husqvarna products in his talented hands.
This is the kind of thing that keeps me up ’til 4AM wondering…
Tempo is only one aspect of dynamics. Dynamics are ANY aspect of expression or difference, change, contrast etc…
That Wiki article is describing Dynamic notation in written music specifically for the purpose of explaining the energy/tempo/force/spirit which the composer intended the piece be presented.
Dynamics in performance encompass much more that just what is covered by dynamic notation.
DP
“if there are separate conversations going on here they should be in their own threads.”
You could always try quotes as Ed did above. I believe there are some plugins made for WordPress which will create pull quotes, but wordpress.com doesn’t appear to support plugins. You need to host it on your own server to get more functionality.
I used a confusing word, by “threads” I meant the daughter windows.
The blog is almost as much fun as the contest. Clever you are.
Patrone,2 things:
1. The reason I think we are all opposed to the sub-comment threads and you are not is because last year we all did very well on the blog without it. I used a different wordpress template last year and didn’t have the “reply” option and it worked fine for all of us. No complaints.
This year, with the way this template has it set up, it has been nothing but frustrating. It’s my only complaint about this template.
Anyway, it seems you are outvoted so we should all go with the vertical string. I know I will from now on. Using quotes works just fine.
2. Of course tempo is only one aspect of the D-word. What I said was that tempo was a “tool” for the D-word, which means it is only one aspect, as there are countless other tools. I was responding to Alicia’s comment (which no one saw because it is buried as a sub-comment near the top of this string) that tempo has “nothing to do with dynamics.”
That’s why Dave M posted the wiki link, which is about more than just music notation by the way. It is about the D-Word and it’s meaning.
Everyone saw her comment, it came in as an email
“minutia” dynamics:
>> Just because most people aren’t used to listening for them doesn’t make them “minutia.” Most accomplished composers stress that space is just as important as the notes. Subtleties combine to enhance the greater piece. What’s the Martini without the whisper of Vermouth? What’s the Martini with too much Vermouth? Bartenders reverse engineer a new drink just like musicians practice and rehearse and hone “analytical listening” to “reverse engineer” a tune they want to be able to play.
“Because the D-word has so many meanings, it therefore has no meaning”
>> Put down the Tao and come back to reality. Dynamics are EVERYTHING.
“If Clay had planned on giving us some of the “superficial dynamics” (tempo,volume, peaks and valleys)” in the last song, dare I say, wouldn’t that be too late?”
>> None of the dynamics you list after your statement are superficial. Everything is relevant in this competition and a last minute twist is even more relevant when you aren’t expecting it; so no, it’s never to late to be dynamic.
I can’t believe there is even an argument on this point! When you do spoken word, you don’t just come up on stage and shout at people! I mean, not if you want to won a competition. You might shout, but you would probably contrast it with something else, it adds more impact. A spoken word piece is much shorter than a 20 minute set, yet even a 30 second poem should have tempo, velocity and rhythmic dynamics.
I would think that competitions require that the competitor show the range of their abilities if they hope to win.
Watching this blog is more entertaining than searching for web porn! I love you guys.
Dave, if everybody got an email about Alicia’s post, than why couldn’t Dave M. find it until today?
Secondly, I believe you are going over the deep end. We are in agreement about 90 percent of this. Don’t you see?
I did not use the term “minutia” or “superficial” dynamics to suggest that they were insignificant aspects of the performances. Perhaps I should have chosen better terms, but I was just trying to distinguish between overt or nuanced dynamics because you had started talking about the dynamics inside, say, a one-liner joke (my idea of minutia dynamics) vs. what I THOUGHT we were talking about which was simple, overt tempo and volume changes (my idea of superficial dynamics). I meant no insult to either. Perhaps an apology is due.
OPEN LETTER TO MINUTIA AND SUPERFICIAL DYNAMICS
“Dear Minutia and Superficial Dynamics, I apologize for suggesting that you weren’t important, or somehow inferior to the other kinds of dynamics. I was merely trying to describe the specificity of the parameters in which you work. Please accept this humble apology”
Thanks
Ed
Would you call Vermouth minutia in a martini?
Exactly right Dave P., one might snub their nose at a “popularity contest” but, if your band is able to attract a large, and devoted fanbase, then it is a testament to who and what your are as a performer, icon and communicator.
Furthermore, the judges are just three people. It would be unjust on many levels to have it all come down to what we say. It’s better, I think, that the populace has a voice as well. Whose to say that the crowd who adored and cheered for Big Toe was wrong and the judges were right? No one can say that, because it is an entirely subjective process. When subjectivity is involved, the more voices you have, the better off you are.
um… excuse me? You shouldn’t reply as you’ll get on Edwin’s list don cha know
The interesting thing about dynamics…
As a musician I like to listen for the subtle details of the performance. Pick them out. That’s what was cool about Nutty. They had a lot of gems to marvel at as we listened to them go by.
However, even a casual listener appreciates the dynamic performance over the static one.
This contest is all about dynamics though, not just musically. That interaction with the crowd. The build up of drama during each show. The judges critique. This blog. Ed and Dave’s arguing. ha ha
Talking about the little details is fun too. I’m looking forward to the next show. Alice and the Cooper Gang! Hendrix! Journey?! I haven’t looked up the websites yet.
“Töm” !!! too funny…
ALL HAIL, THE HEAVY METAL UMLAT!
Great Job Big Toe Band!!! See ya’ at the semi!
After several weeks of this contest, I gotta say… while I get the whole “crowd matters” thing from the business perspective for Viejas, etc. for putting on this amazing, lucrative contest… at the same time it kinda sucks from the music/entertainment perspective that the best band doesn’t necessarily win. Maybe the db meter ratings shouldn’t be “times 3″ on the judges’ scorecards? I also think (admitted or not by you Berklee-schooled, literature-savvy, keen-eared judges or not), some tribute bands maybe get invisible “style points” for duplication, not necessarily musical/vocal ability. I’m not trying to revive the old argument of tribute vs. cover and I know the rules can’t be changed mid-stream, but maybe some future modifications should be considered for a more pure competition? I’d love to see this contest be more about real musical/vocal talent and less about popularity (which could be just a matter of a large, local family) or imitation (good acting & costumes)….. Skewer me if you like
, I’m just sayin’….
After several weeks of this contest, I gotta say… while I get the whole “crowd matters” thing from the business perspective for Viejas, etc. for putting on this amazing, lucrative contest… at the same time it kinda sucks from the music/entertainment perspective that the best band doesn’t necessarily win. Maybe the db meter ratings shouldn’t be “times 3″ on the judges’ scorecards? I also think (admitted or not by you Berklee-schooled, literature-savvy, keen-eared judges or not), some tribute bands maybe get invisible “style points” for duplication, not necessarily musical/vocal ability. I’m not trying to revive an old argument of tribute vs. cover and I know the rules can’t be changed mid-stream, but maybe some future modifications should be considered for a more pure competition? I’d love to see this contest be more about real musical/vocal talent and less about popularity (which could be just a matter of a large, local family) or imitation (good acting & costumes)….. Skewer me if you like
, I’m just sayin’….
Here it is people..just as promised
Alice and the Cooper Gangs Set list
WELCOME TO MY NIGHTMARE….
NO MORE MR NICE GUY
EIGHTEEN
BE MY LOVER
MUSCLE OF LOVE
SCHOOLS OUT
LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING ALL YOU BACK OUT THERE THIS NEXT SUNDAY. WHAT A GREAT SHOW THIS LAST SUNDAY. CONGRADULATIONS. TO BIG TOE. I THOUGHT ALL THE BANDS WERE GREAT. OH YES AND BY THE WAY. YES WE HAVE BIG TOE/MARK GOFFENEY PLAYING GUITAR FOR US AGAIN THIS YR. SEE YOU ALL AT THE SHOW. REMEMBER IF WE MAKE IT TO THE NEXT ROUND. I WILL BE PUTTING OUR SET LIST UP FOR THAT AS WELL. UNTIL THEN….ALICE…….
For more on DYNAMICS see last years blog. We ran it into the ground too.
Lovin’:
The best band as determined by the rules of the contest is the band who satisfies the judges’ critique and manages to pull sufficient crowd to obtain the highest score. I know what you’re sayin’ about the best band but any contest has to have rules and there will always be times when those rules define the winner. The very nature of entertainment is pleasing and attracting a crowd so Best Band definitely should have a lot to do with the crowd factor.
oh, and by the way, Alice – OMG. I can’t wait to see that set…
Hey, do you ever do anything from “Alice Cooper Goes to Hell.” That is a really fun and awesome album that I bet you could have a field day with.
I”For criminal acts and violence on the stage.
For being a brat, refusing to act your age.
For all of the decent citizens you’ve enraged…
You, can go to Hell!
You’re something that never should have happened.
You even make your gramma sick.”
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True statement for an established, local club band. Maybe not so true for a band primarily performing at private events or a band just starting out. Regardless, all in all the contest is a great opportunity for any type of cover band and I do respect the judges’ opinions; I’ve heard a lot of honest and constructive criticism for the bands.
this is the statement I was responding to, for some reason it didn’t “take”:
…if your band is able to attract a large, and devoted fanbase, then it is a testament to who and what your are as a performer, icon and communicator.
LTM, you make a good point. I still think the audience applause factor, as it is, is superior to most, however, because you have made reasonable comments and did not insult me, my family or my god (I pray at the altar of John Barleycorn) you remain OFF my list.
New additions to my list:
Dave M., who used the reply function to speak against using the reply function (Note – ironical uses of the reply function will not keep you off the list).
Colleen, for being quiet this week (being quiet is almost as bad as saying unreasonable things or insulting me, my family or John Barleycorn).
The Republican Party, for trying to pass a resolution to rename Democrats the ‘Democrat Socialist Party’ (Hey, Republicans – you are in a tailspin now. Pull out, PULL OUT!)
And speaking of “pull out”, Anger is a Gift is the last entry on my list because they pulled out of the competition, thereby denying me the glory and the majesty of their performances.
What do you suppose is a better strategy if there is one, putting your set list out there as Alice did so people have something to look forward to or keep it a surprise?
I’ve been wondering about this since Bruce (aka Alice) told me he was going to do it. I told him it was a risky strategy but I admire him for taking risks, and that was very Alice-esque.
It’s hard to say because, right now I am very much anticipating the set, but, that might only lead to a let down. No offense Bruce, but even Coen Brother’s flicks and Radiohoead albums let me down from time to time. And usually, it’s because of the anticipation I feel when they are released.
Either way, it’s something new and different and I, for one, welcome our new Ant Overlords.
Speaking of anticipation, anyone salivating over the new Terminator flick, Salvation? Man that shit looks goooood. And also, the new Sam Raimi flick (forget the title) which looks like he’s going back to his Evil Dead roots.
All Hail the Heavy Metal Umlaut on Evil Dead movies!!
I think giving the setlist up in this case is a brilliant idea if you are a really good performer. You set the bar and then you go for it. As a Marine, I admire that tactic.
Since Bruce boldly gave us his set list, I don’t have to waste my time listening to all of Alice Cooper’s material, hoping that he’ll do some songs that I’m familiar with. I now have an opportunity to look over those tunes and study them as a base for comparison; although, I do know most of those tunes, I’m going to re-familiarize myself with them and check out the live versions on youtube to compare. Thus, I will be comparing “Alice and the Cooper Gang’s” performance to the real performers rather than the idealized version that is in my head.
If Bruce pays homage in some sort that I might not have caught or been able to appreciate, I want to make sure it’s not because I didn’t try to understand it.
I take this judging very seriously and I do a lot of research before I come in each week.
Making it easier for me to see what you are presenting by guiding my understanding lowers the bar in some cases.
For instance, if in their set, an Iron Maiden tribute band yells out “Scream for me Viejas!” I’ll get that because I’m familiar with the “Live After Death” album. If I hear a recording of Winston Churchill’s Battle of Britain Specch, I get it. If I had never heard of that, I wouldn’t get the full ramifications of the performance. While I can’t obviously know every nuance of a tribute, I feel like I owe it to these bands to make an effort to understand what they are doing in as many aspects as they have spent time perfecting.
DP
ED – thanks for allowing me listlessness
But, if it’s the same set as last year, is it really that risky? Just askin’.
Sir Tom my good man. We are a tribute Band And yes some of the song are the same as last year. Which are all some of his greatest hits. Like they say if its not broken dont change/fix it. Well for the most part thats true. But Just to let you Know ITs not the same as last yr. Check out the greatest hits record. Most likely if we have the chance we will be playing almost all those song. plus a few others that you the people throw at us on here on the blog. Alice Cooper has a lot of songs to choose from. 28 records worth. Oh and Yes we have a big suprise for MOR and MOR fans as well for the first round. So make sure you all come up close to see what it is. Just a hint MOR is MY fav band in SD Next to mine of course. Love you guys.
Dave Madden from “That ’70s Rock Show” here. I don’t know if my last post made it to this weeks, so I’ll just chime in again anyways. Last Sunday was yet another example of the array of great bands San Diego & beyond have to offer.I have to mention Nutty, who had my girlfriend & myself in near tears! Where else can you see so much entertainment at such a beautiful venue as Viejas every Sunday for free? As far as the cover vs original controversy, that’s plan ignorance & snobbery at it’s best. Anyone who knows their music history know that most successful original acts got their starts/big breaks from playing cover music. Does The Beatles,Rolling Stones,Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin,Joe Cocker,Janis Joplin,The Doors,Van Halen,Red Hot Chili Peppers,etc..ring a bell? Hell, even Johny Cash did an album of covers!! Good music is good music period, so get up off your high horse & follow Frank Zappas words of wisdom, “Shut up ‘n play yer guitar” The judging has been excellent & fair despite frequent hangovers & quitting certain substances cold turkey in mid-competition.(Hats off DP). My band is really looking forward to jumping into the fray when we roll into The DreamCatcher on the 31st. Until then, you can catch us play a full set with L.A.s Doors tribute Wild Child this Friday the 22nd @ The Ramona Main Stage Night Club in Ramona @ 8:00pm. Good luck to all the contestants & keep on rockin’!!
Peace
Okay all you lovely people… I’ve been watching all week and have barely spoken a word. But the whole debate between Ed and DP needs to be resolved. So I’m here to finally set the debate to rest. But first… a few other things need to be mentioned.
The word “pitchy” is a perfectly good word and will probably be placed into the new Webster’s dictionary next year since it has become a useful, legitimate word of which most people know the meaning.
Evette! I am so proud of you with your post!!! You go girl!! Love it that you told DP to “get over it” with a Rockstar! GREAT!!
Mary… why haven’t we heard from you?
Shaaron… you love egging on the verbal warfare between Ed and I don’t you? And yes… we did run this topic of dynamics into the ground didn’t we???
Dave Madden seems to feel that he knows everything that is going on with DP’s “…quitting certain substances cold turkey in mid-competition…” Well although it is all good that DP is striving to cut back, he HAS, as of last Sunday,NOT QUIT YET!! The word “quit”, in this context, means to COMPLETELY cease any continued usage of the substance. I am here to educate Dave Madden that DP has not quit the caffine. David Patrone drank a Rockstar last Sunday night. This after declaring here on this very blog that he had QUIT. I have a picture of the evidence and the empty can with his DNA and fingerprints on the can. When I called him out about his “quitting” his only defense was to say it was only one. DAVID!! Having only one is NOT quitting! Cutting down, YES, but NOT quitting. That said… I say kudos to you DP for cutting down, quite severely on your caffine intake. I’m very, very, very, very proud of you! And to all you people who want to call me a bitch (or psyco, or any other name you creative people can imagine)for bringing this up, I say I’m not bitching… I’m just correcting a few statements. Keep up the good work DP, I hope to see you QUIT the caffine soon. BTW — I have NO DESIRE to sit in your judge’s chair.
To Alice (aka Bruce) I would have rathered be surprised to hear your set without prior knowledge of what the set list is. One of my friends who leads a band always tries to keep the set list a secret from me. I must say whenever I manage to sneak a peak at the beginning of the gig, the new songs learned, albeit fun to hear, loses some of it’s specialness when I know ahead of time. Kind of like finding out about a surprise party being thrown for you before you go to the party. Nevertheless Alice, I will be watching closely to see what you have in mind for MOR (also my fav Metal band). My imagination is already racing!! Now that is a good tease!!!
To Ed… putting me on your list is not cool! Geeze! You bitch when I voice my important opinions and you bitch when I keep my important opinions to myself! I’ve had plenty to say this week, but it’s been fun to sit back and watch you and DP duke it out over something that is opined between the two of you so similarily. I’m sure this long post should take me off your list since I’m more than making up for my “quietness”.
And lastly… my end to the Dynamics debate: I too have definitions from the web.
1. From a Physics point of view; dynamics and statics refer to changing or not changing. Statics are things in equilibrium i.e. not changing. Dynamics are things that change.
2. From a musical point of view, it usually refers to change in loudness, but adding a physics point of view, it could be a change in:
Loudness
Tempo
Key
Instrumentation
Attire (boy is that a stretch)
In other words… ANYTHING that changes relative to music is dynamics, but loudness is what it usually refers to.
So There… debate ended!
Well… that was fun! It’s really tough to not speak up and voice my valuable, correct, always sensitive opinions.
~~Peace!
You mean there’s caffeine in Rockstar? I thought it was just energy in a can…
No one was calling you “psycho” we were referring to a totally different psycho, I mean, um… girl from my past.
I find it interesting the the words “Quit” and “Quite” are so similar. So maybe I meant to write that I quite caffeine…
Wow Colleen,
It’s good to have you back & stand humbled & corrected. Whew!!
Bruce your majesty, I must confess I’m but a dunce when it comes to the Alice Cooper library. I just thought it would be fun to discuss the strategery. You know I will be up front – I was going to say admiring for your snake, but that doesn’t quite sound right for some reason.
Tom..YOU MONSTER DRUMMER YOU ..You know i love you Guys. And you can bet ll be there with MOR until the end whether ACG move forward or not See you on Sunday See you all there on Sunday..
Wow… Ed and DP got real quiet all of a sudden didn’t they? Maybe I scared them off. Come back boys! I’ll be nice!
Hey Ed, did you hear something?
OH!! Now that’s LOW!!
I’d like to take a moment of your day to bring you this special List update:
1. Dave Madden is off the list.
2. Bruce (aka Alice) is off the list.
3. Shaaron is on the list
4. Evette is off the list
5. And, unbelievably, Colleen is off the list. At first she was even more on the list than before because she complained about being on the list, which is a surefire way to STAY on this list, but then she showed reason and intelligence when she quoted, understood and applied the definition of dynamics – thus proving me right with Patrone who, by the way, is on the list.
Thank, you may now resume your regularly scheduled program.
oh, and Tom, I can concur, he did not play the same set last year. I know for a fact that Welcome to My Nightmare was not on it, nor was Muscle of Love I believe.
She doesn’t understand the definition of dynamics: She keeps referring to VOLUME and then she offhandedly suggests that it might loosely be related to other things.
Dynamics in performance does not normally refer to just volume unless you are talking about “music notation.” I am into Etymology and the very word “Dynamic” refers to variance or changes and yet it’s interesting to note that it comes from the Greek word “dynamikos” for “Power” and even further back it means “to be able” which might explain it’s relevance to abilities, varieties, possibilities and the demonstration of all the above to include:
EVERYTHING
to have the “power,” or “to be able” to do ANYTHING and the demonstration thereof is the essence of a dynamic performance.
’nuff said.
Ed you’re on my list
Colleen you’re on my list
Dave your on my list
Alice I’m watching your list
Tom ü r on my list
Excuse my ignorance, but coming into this blog a little late, is it good to be on “the list” or bad, & what exactly does “the list” entail?
Educate me people!!
Dave, “I’m just the drummer so don’t shoot me”
Ed and DP… the Dynamic Duo
Ed & DP… were you not able to read my words that the debate was ended with my post?
DP! I on YOUR LIST??? Why??? Another low blow! Putting me on the same list with Ed? Although…. I do consider it an honor to be in such good other company as Dave, Alice and Tom! So maybe I should be saying thank you!!
Shaaron— girl.. what did you do to get put on Ed’s list?
~~Peace
DP — “I find it interesting the the words “Quit” and “Quite” are so similar. So maybe I meant to write that I quite caffeine…” HUH?
Okay… I think you might just need a little caffine…. You “quite caffine”???? What the hell does that mean??
Just keepin’ it real, Baby.
Ok……………………. still don’t understand………… think I’ll go warm up another cup of coffee…….. yeah…. that’ll probably help!
Shaaron is on my list because she said that we had run the D-word discussion into the ground last year, (which we did)thereby suggesting that we were running it into the ground this year (which we are), but Shaaron Dear, that is for ME to decide, as I am the one with the list, and anyone who insinuates that everything that I say or write or do isn’t absolutely, 100 percent fascinating goes onto my list.
Oh… poor Shaaron! She may never get off the list under that criteria! Now me on the otherhand always am completely fascinated by whatever King Ed has to say! (wink, wink!)
oh, and Dave Madden – it is a bad thing to be on the list. The list is published worldwide and if you are on the list, you will begin to see these ten changes take place in the people and things around you:
1. Other drivers will stop letting you in front of them when you try to merge in traffic.
2. Your ability to haggle for the price of crappy blankets and Bart Simpson piggy banks in Tijuana will be greatly reduced.
3. It will become harder to get laid (married or single)
4. People will talk about you behind your back more often than they already do
5. Santa will bring you less presents
6. You will find that screws and nuts and bolts will more easily become stripped when you are working on them
7. AAA will take longer to arrive at your location when you lock yourself out of your car
8. Bartenders will make your drinks weaker
9. The Ocean will become several degrees cooler should you want to take a swim
10. God won’t be watching out for you quite as much
Ed,
I think you are dynamically fascinating; which, in your definition just means “loud” or “fast”
Unless you accept my definition which means that even in your subtle moments you are fascinating…
Dave Madden, you do don’t want to be on Ed’s list for it is like the curse of the Great Bambino, but you’re ok if you are on Patrone’s. I have a feeling everyone is going to end up there eventually, so it’s the place to be.
As for the set list publishing, I can see it as a good strategy for Alice, but think it will be in our best interest to do a sneak attack like a ninja in a stealth bomber dropping heavy metal on the expecting concert goers cranium.
I plan on winning this year by being less dynamic but more Dianetic.
Of course, as I am not in the competition I’ll have to impersonate a tribute.
Dave, Dave, Dave – you really are a magnificent, gaping narcissist aren’t you. I know this because you only read your own posts and don’t read the posts by the person to whom you are responding.
If you go back and read my posts, you will see, I am, and always have been, in agreement with you about the definition of dynamics, and that I had poorly chosen the words “minutia” and “superficial” to describe two different types of dynamics, and that, like Dave M. said eons ago – there is dynamics in everything – and that dynamics is not just about volume and tempo, and that, the reason I even argued that volume is a part of dynamics in the first place is because Alicia had said, eons ago, that dynamics is NOT about volume, which it clearly is, among countless other things, about which I have always concurred.
To go back to the beginning, which I really didn’t want to do but your poor comprehension skills force me to do so, it all began with my written response to a comment made by Alicia that the Bad Blokes had not used dynamics in their performance.
Now, because dynamics is such a broad term, we all seemed to have a disagreement to what what Alicia was referring. I believed, and still do, that Alica was talking about volume because she told them she was(loosely paraphrased) “blown out by the set,” and by a “wall of sound,” which I do not believe was the same as Phil Spector’s Wall of sound (because Phil Spector’s Wall of sound was ALL ABOUT dynamics, and layers and such) and that what she was really referring to was all the high-tempo, high volume stuff. Now, I may be wrong about that but I doubt it because, the Bad Blokes set was FULL of all the other kinds of dynamics we’ve been speaking of. The only dynamics they weren’t manipulating were volume and tempo dynamics, which I said – and this was where the argument began – was not necessary because of the shortness of their set; that I, for one, very much enjoyed being blasted out like that and would welcome it again.
Now, I can only guess, D.P. that you have long ago stopped “reading” this post and have no comprehension of what I said beyond “magnificent, gaping narcissist” but if you respond by saying that my definition of dynamics is “loud and fast” again, I will go Caligula on your ass and forcibly pour jugs of RockStar in your mouth until your throat explodes.
By the way, do you know that douchebag Michael Savage owns RockStar now? It’s time for you to switch buddy.
Tom! Another great tease!! Now I’m wanting to find a way to get a sneak peek at the set list! Anticipation!
Ed, I’m still thinking about the double-entendre that #6 can have!
I put that there for your benefit Colleen.
Hey Tom, thanks for the heads up for Ed’s list & agree with you about the ninja shit.
Ed, I’m glad to be back off your list as didn’t know I was on it at some point,but I’ve noticed some of the changes you mentioned. Please show some mercy!!
Well, anything can change at any time, so, just follow the rules and don’t upset me too much, and you will be fine.
Patrone, how much did you end up paying for that Bart Simpson bank?
Ed,
By “magnificient and gaping” were you trying to refer to goatse?
Dynamics in music is only about that which is heard. It is about volume… mostly. When you learn to read music and the lesson is about dynamics you are going to study about volume changes and how that is notated. So you can understand the feel the composer wants by the notations on the music.
…and also things like tempo changes, the feel of a passage, the accent or extra duration of a note. These things all have certain notations so you have to learn them when you learn to read music.
But it is mostly about volume and that can be a difficult thing in a group that basically conducts itself.
It shows skill and experience when an ensemble can bring it down together. Everybody can play loud but how can you tell if your at the loud part if there is no quiet part too?
For drums it’s mostly about volume as demonstrated here: http://www.ehow.com/video_2371742_using-dynamics-height-drums-match.html
That’s not all there is to it, but mostly.
If it was mostly about volume and tempo, then everyone would have only one drum.
Also, this video is about matching dynamics to a score (sheet Music) so it’s about Music Notation Dynamics which isn’t what I was talking about.
Dave M.
That’s still overly simplistic. Tone, arrangement, use of instruments, time signature, rhythm, band costumes, dancers, whatever… any aspect of music presentation is a part of the dynamic and can therefore contrast and change and create character. There is a bigger picture here and I’m trying to explain it for the benefit of the bands who have yet to compete. Tempo and Volume are only the obvious ones. It’s like saying you can only have chicken, fish or steak. What spices are you using; is it raw, cooked, charred, meduim/well? Is served cold or warm? Are there vegetables; how are they prepared? Is it even edible? What is it garnished with? Is the tablecloth dirty?
What is the restaurant setting that you are eating in? Is my server smart and able to anticipate my needs? What wine should I have with that? Everything is a part of the dynamic and the dynamics are everything.
I can’t stress enough how important these things are, it’s the difference between pedaling your rusty Schwinn down main street with a playing card in the spokes and rollin’ up on a 1949 Panhead with pipes at Sturgis and the dust kickin’ up everywhere. It’s the difference between peanut butter and crackers in your underwear and a first date with a model at The University Club on a Saturday Night.
Mr Patrone, we’ve been waiting for you, your table is ready… Ma’am, can I take your coat?
mmmmmmm going out for dinner tonight. DP’s example will give me a whole different view as to what the dynamics of my restaurant meal should consist of, to make for a winning of the restaurant meal contest for tonight!!
I had a rusty Schwinn with playing cards in the spokes!! Actually I “borrowed” my brother’s Schwinn until he saw me riding it. Man… I almost lit the cards on fire while pedaling away from him! Thanks for the fond memory DP!
By music presentation I meant “performance” We’re dealing with more than just music here.
Well, there is a band I know playing in a really nice restaurant downtown. The MerK is a dynamic new Italian restaurant in the Keating Hotel (820 Fifth Ave) and it’s going to be a crazy night tonight as the David Patrone Trio swings from the ceiling and plays from 7 til 10
Downtown S.D. on a Padre night??? What are those dynamics?
I get it Patrone (do you mind me calling you that?)
However you’re talking about the dynamics of the performance and the wider dynamics of the show, in the room, that night. The audience, the order of bands, how cold the AC is running.
Then there are the dynamics of the entire competion. Which btw, many people miss out on when they show up for the first time on week five. So you see the Bloaks and miss out on the fact that we already saw Clay and Caveman weeks before. That’s rich! I love that.
Musical Dynamics are about ONLY what is heard. …and the subject of musical dynamics during the performance is how well the artists’ expressed their music as a group.
The reason we got into this is because some really good players have been with groups that are not dynamic enough. 6ONE9 is a good example of a band that hung themselves by playing too loud! They could have gone all the way.
the Blokes had dynamics but frequency crashing was their problem. The Zep band had a very dynamic moment but that was because they unplugged the guitar at just the right (wrong) moment. It sure was a shock and EVERYBODY felt. unintentional but memorable for sure.
Presentation Dynamics!! Now that’s what I look for in the UMC contest. The WHOLE package! How the band excites the audience! THAT’S the dynamics I look for in the bands! Nutty, for me, did not have as much dynamics as Bad Bloaks. But both were dynamic in their own right. A band that has long pauses between songs loses dynamics. One of the best dynamic band I’ve seen thus far in all the UMCs was Detroit Underground. And what made them the dynamically best band was the volume of the horns in concert with the rest of the band members. The transition from one song to another. The “look” of the members of the band. The interaction of the band members with each other and with the audience. THE WHOLE PACKAGE!
Just heard one of the greatest songs of all time on an oldies station, “Snoopy vs. The Red Baron”! Now there’s a dynamics song!! Starts out calm and climbs in crescendo to the machine fire! WOW!
Come on folks! Let’s lighten up!!
~~Peace
Omiting performance dynamics:
Musical dynamics are so much more than just tempo and volume. Each instrument has it’s own voice. Each rhythm like rhumba, bossa, swing, reggae, thrash. Each time signature, waltz, common, 5/4. Phrasing, articulation, mood, vocal expression, banter, scat, improvisation, harmony, pitch, velocity and not to mention multiple interactions of voice, tone, etc. Tempos and volume are just the tip of the iceberg.
I don;t even have the patience to list all of the “Musical” dynamics.
Dynamic notation, as I explained before deals mostly with volume and velocity and changes in them; but, musical dynamics encompass EVERYTHING.
You are still only going to get one dinner menu when you go to eat and under meat and potatoes will be volume. The rest will under dessert. The dessert is nice to round out the meal, but you’ve got to have the meat and potatoes.
I think we all agree there are many ingredients to build a tasty musical meal.
Yes, that would be Leggy hot chicks acting all hot and leggy and shit.
Still too simplistic Tom, and inaccurate. Volume is not an absolute, it’s a measurement and it’s subjective too.
What kind of potatoes? How is the meat cooked? Salt? Pepper? Curry? Butter? BBQ? Steak sauce? Burnt? undercooked? Those details all exist but you are ignoring them. That’s like saying “without a level of saltiness, it is inconceivable to have a French Fry.” The “level of saltiness” inherent and already there, its effect is what you’re measuring: its level and its effect on the taste. Not its existence. It exists whether you notice it or not and it’s a factor whether you notice it or not.
By the way “its” is possessive and “it’s” is a contraction just so you understand what I’m trying to say.
btw, since the gambling tables are out of the room now what about photos?
That would be the mud pie.
If you know someone in security you can get photos from those black bubbles in the ceiling.
I don’t get the Bart Simpson bank thing…
See #2 of Ed’s list.
Bank thing… i don’t get it either. But at least it’s something different than “dynamics”! This blog is making me hungry!
I will start off with a crescendo appetizer. Then I would like my steak forte with some extra tempo juice, my potato mezzo-piano with some accents on the side and my dessert pianissimo.
For my midnight snack I will have two scoops of “musical dynamics” with sprinkles on top.
will that be Heavy Metal or bubble-gum pop country sprinkles?
I think this whole discussion about dynamics has proven my point that it should be banned. With so many meanings and understandings of what it is, the term is too vague and should be replaced with more specific words and phrases so we know if you are talking about tone, tempo, volume, energy, presentation, transition, charisma and anything else that falls under the dynamics category.
To continue the dinner metaphor, nobody ever walked out of a restaurant and said, “That meal was lacking dynamics.”
No, they say it was too salty, overcooked, the portions were too small, the waitress had boogers in her nose, the lighting was too bright etc.
Are we banning free speech now?
Well, I guess that’s the way the country seems to be going anyway…
and: Nobody ever said, “that meal was lacking in dynamics” because there is another word for lacking dynamics that we use more often and that is “SUCKS” or “SUCKED” as in “that meal sucked.”
That’s because the word “dynamics” doesn’t typically apply to food, I was making an descriptive analogy. You know, establishing a relationship between something people obviously have experience in to define a relationship they obviously don’t understand.
I guess I’m done with this topic, it’s like someone once said, “If you get it, no explanation is necessary; and if you don’t, then none will suffice.”
Hey DP, the lovely Mary and I are going to the jazz festival tomorrow. You better be dynamic or that’ll suck. ha ha jk see ya there.
What will we call Batman and Robin now?
Even when I suck, it’s dynamic. I can suck on every level and in every way.
Just ’cause you’re dynamic doesn’t mean you’re any good
You’re not going to jump on that one Colleen?
I was reminisin’ and I looked up Ed’s write-up from last year when my band played… too funny, take it away Ed –
“Next band was Jump Start – which was your classic, classic-rock cover band. They were pretty flawless as far as harmonies and musicianship goes and as Jaime Valle (Judge #1) said, “They had the best dynamics of everybody.” (Jaime’s big on dynamics).”
As a military man,DP, I would’ve thought you knew what free speech was. Free speech does not apply to your right to say whatever you want on The Viejas blog, on which I am a contracted managing agent. Free speech (aka The First Amendment) prohibits THE GOVERNMENT from censoring speech, not Viejas or Ed Decker.
Speech can be defined as many things, such as burning the flag, petitioning the government, and running a blog. Indeed the First Amendment protects me from having to publish all your offensive language, such as The D-Word, and the P-Word so there is no censorship here and the First Amendment is in good standing.
Tom, RE: Batman and Robin, I’m thinking we should call them the Gynormous duo, being how girly they both are
LOL!!!
I’m aware of the difference between the constitutionally protected right to free speech, and your rights as the owner of this blog to censor what you deem inappropriate…
You said, “I think this whole discussion about dynamics has proven my point that it should be banned.”
I simply wanted to clarify whether or not the Emperor of the Blog was exercising his potentational muscle or merely adjusting his robes so that all could surreptitiously glance at the magnificence lurking therein.
SHOWMANSHIP (40%)
SHOWMANSHIP (40%)
1. Choreography/Stage Presence
2. Energy
3. Charisma/ Audience Interaction
4. Overall Style
MUSICAL ABILITY (40%)
1. Vocal Performance
2. Music Performance
AUDIENCE RESPONSE (20%)
Dang computer!! Keeps sending before I’m ready!! I’m preparing my score sheet of DP’s performance last night. Have to work right now… stay tuned later during lunch for the final results!!
Marines know everything about free speech since we’re required to ask permission before doing so; and, even when doing so can be prosecuted for anything we say that is deemed “disrespect toward a superior.”
I believe that you can’t truly understand the value of a thing until that thing has actually been taken from you. Hence the famous verse:
“For those who man the battle line, the bugle whispers low,
And freedom has a taste and price the protected never know”
I also think there’s a big difference between being “Edited” and being “Censored”
This is getting too deep. We should talk about how pretty I am.
“See the pretty girl in the mirror there
(What mirror where?)
Who can that attractive girl be?
Such a pretty face,
Such a pretty dress,
Such a pretty smile,
Such a pretty me!”
(and by “me” I mean Tom)
I feel pretty,
Oh, so pretty,
I feel pretty and witty and bright!
And I pity
Any girl who isn’t TOM tonight.
Were you watching West Side Story last night too? =) Have a great long weekend everyone! See you in a couple weeks!
Ang
Mirrors are a negative space
With a frame and a place for your face
They reveal what the rest of us see
They conceal what you’d like it to be
Pretty Girls can’t look away
Well gang, lunch break time is finally here and it is time to offer the critique for David Patrone Trio debut performance at the MerK in the Gaslamp District last night.
First let me say that the MerK is a very nice restaurant that is
dynamicallyRATHER special in its upscale, yet not pretentious ambience. The overall environment is conducive to having a jazz ensemble play there, however the “stage” for the ensemble needs to change. The restaurant is long and narrow with a high ceiling. Dark, yet still warm atmosphere and the benches along the wall were cushioned, and comfortable to sit back and relax.The “stage” for the
dynamicallytalented ensemble for the evening, was in a glass walkway over the dining area that spanned the width of the dining area and bar below. The lead singer seemed to be concerned that someone might “see up his dress”. I was concerned that is there was an earthquake and that thedynamicRATHER BORING jazz band might end up being precariously perched from adynamicallyHIGHLY dangerous position over the crowd. Luckily the earth did not move under our feet!Now to the band… They set up in the overhead walkway, but should have spent a bit more time with the sound check. Being that they were so far above, the upright bass was difficult to hear from down below. When we ventured upstairs after dinner, the bass was in a much better mix. We agreed that had the mix been correct for the bass for the patrons downstairs, it would have been too loud upstairs. Perhaps in future gigs there, playing downstairs might be better.
Overall, I gave the David Patrone Jazz band a 76.7% using the same criteria the UMC uses.
SHOWMANSHIP (40%)
1. Choreography/Stage Presence: 8pts. The band was difficult to see and as mentioned above, the bass was not loud enough. Thus hurting the
dynamicsPEFORMANCE of the band due to the lack of volume of the bass. Under the circumstances though the band did fairly well with the area in which they had to work.2. Energy: 8 pts. During the first set the lead singer seemed a bit uncomfortable not being able to be closer to his audience. It seemed to take a while for him to settle into the fact that he was so far away. The piano and bass seemed to be okay with the odd place for a “stage”. However by the time the second set got underway, the lead singer had had a shot of espresso (don’t I remember Patrone saying he had quit caffine???) and had “amped” up. Slow start, but I attribute that to the room.
3. Charisma/ Audience Interaction: 10 pts. I must say that although it started out rough, the lead singer was still able to overcome the problems and distance from the audience and made the best of what he had to work with. He turned on his “performer” button and found a young couple celebrating their 2nd anniversary and made the night special for them. Well done Patrone. That performer in you shone through from your precarious perch high above the crowd!
4. Overall Style: 9 pts. Overall, the professionalism of the entire band was wonderful. The band got stumped on one song request from an audience member in the upstairs lounge, but the piano player and bass player covered well. The true sign of
dynamicallyprofessional musicians! Even Patrone, who knew a few of the words to the song, did his best to elongate the song to the best of his ability. Kudos to Patrone for that!!MUSICAL ABILITY (40%)
1. Vocal Performance: 8 pts. The lead singer (aka David Patrone) was a bit
pitchySOUNDING LIKE HYENAS SCREWING AN OPERA SINGER when singing in the lower register on some songs. And on one song, he was trying to combine two songs into a clever combination of them both. Patrone would have been better to have just sung both entire songs separately. But props to him for trying something new. But as he himself mentioned, he “discoved the reason to rehearse”. The problem was that the words and melody of the two songs were very close, and easily mis-sung.2. Music Performance: 10 pts. The bass and piano players were OUTSTANDING!! A true pleasure to listen to! And when Patrone brought out his mouth harp… that was great too. Wish I’d heard more of that!
AUDIENCE RESPONSE (20%)
1. Participation/Response: 7 pts. This was the area that hurt the scoring process. Just like what happens to some bands at the UMC. Although the response was okay from what crowd was there, the
dynamicsFEELINGS of the band will improve when the volume of the audience appreciation is louder. Bring your fan base is important!!2. Crowd Noise/Applause: 7 pts. Didn’t have a Db reader, but my ear showed moderate crowd appreciation.
The night was successful for both the band and myself. I found a good new restaurant to frequent occasionally and the band may have found a new gig site to play. Overall, the David Patrone Trio provided a relaxing and enjoyable night of sweet jazz. I have no doubt that subsequent performances at the MerK will pull in more people and the tech problems of last night will be corrected.
Thank you DP for a
dynamicallyfun night!!!~~Peace
BTW… if any of you go to the MerK for dinner, ask for Morgan to be your server. She was great!
Excellent assessment Colleen, although you may have missed it, my reference to the word practice was actually a subliminal effort directed at the anniversary couple, intended to improve their chances of conception.
Never stop practicing!!
I thought they were handing me a Decaf Espresso!
I’ll work on my pitch in the lower register
My girlfriend likes it when I practice my lower register… It’s a special exercise… Did I mention that my girlfriend likes it?
Directed toward the anniversary couple? And “Decaf Espress”? Yeah right! You are so full of…. well you know what…. my soul is too pure to mention the word, but I’m sure you get the point!:-)
And your LOWER register? I’m sure your girlfriend likes your “pitch” in your LOWER register… but that’s more information about you than I want to know!!
ATTENTION BLOGGERS: Being that Collen has openly defied my ban on the D-Word and the P-Word, which I lovingly installed for your protection and sanity, I had to go into her latest post, (the one directly above this) and edit out the offensive language.
I have replaced all uses of the D-Word and P-Words with more acceptable terms in ALLCAPS.
That is all, you may return to your regularly scheduled programming.
Editing MY posts???? Whoa!!! Just for that, I’m going over to DP’s side and going to resume using the Reply button!! That was just WRONG Decker!!
Man, I’d like to do that with more of Colleen’s posts! Like Mad Libs. We could call it Psycho C’s
as in “Psychoses” distorted or non-existent sense of objective reality.
J.K. Colleen you know I love ya!
Thanks so much for comin’ out to the show and happy anniversary to you both. I hope my subliminal message got through
DP
HEY!!! What is this???? Pick on Colleen day???? Boy you try to be nice and look what it gets you!!
Two PITCHY, BITCHY BOYS PERCHED ON A PRECARIOUS PERCH OF A DYNAMIC BLOGDOM!!
~~Peace (although that phrase is getting more and more difficult to sign)
Hey! that post was too longy
ha ha jk My contribution to Pick on Colleen day!
Ok Dave M…. Now you are on MY list! Along with Ed & DP! And it is NOT a good thing to be in the same company as those two when it comes to MY list.
What is it Dave M.? Too difficult to keep your attention to extended tomes of intellectual conversation?
How did we get so far away from how pretty I look?
GOTCHA COLLEEN!
yeah? You just think you did!
Tom… You are the prettiest one!!
~~Peace
I would have to agree with you Colleen!
Yeah… I think it has something to do with being a drummer! Drummer dudes rule!
Just ran into an old friend from Elementary – High School dayz. He’s a successful screenwriter, Gregory Poirier… the internet is so cool!
Colleen, I enjoyed your critique of Patrone’s gig. I’ll give you my review tomorrow after the festival.
keep rockin’
Dave M. — write a good one… you MAY be able to get off MY list!
Colleen, you are at it again using those banned words…
Here’s what you meant to say
Two
PITCHYMagnificient,BITCHYBEAUTIFULBOYSMENPERCHEDHERALDED ON APRECARIOUSGOLDENPERCHPEDESTAL FROM ADYNAMICGRATEFULBLOGDOMKINGDOM!!It sounds more accurate that way I believe…
No, Mr. Patrone what I wrote is what I meant! It is what it is!!
Good luck with Judge #4 (aka Dave M.)
I’d be worried about Judge #1! the lovely Mary.
Hey all, Guy Wonder from Nutty here. Finally got a couple of free days to read all of this madness and thought I’d weigh in. (Hope you don’t mind if I redirect the conversation back to the contest.)
We had a blast and felt the love–hope you felt it back. Thanks to all. The following is NOT sour grapes, just a scientific observation:
Clearly, to determine contest winners, the audience reaction needs to be heavily considered. But measuring that reaction based solely on volume is a problem.
What I’m sayin’ is, one audience member might love what Nutty did as much as another loved what Big Toe did, but these two guys will express their love in two very different ways.
It’s jazz, Babe, we don’t scream. If we get really excited, we might snap our fingers with BOTH hands. (Oh no, it looks like I’m back to talking about dynamics here . . . my apologies to all.)
What’s the solution? I dunno . . . have them fill out cards to rate bands rather than applause-o-meter?
Anyway, it was a great experience and we’re hoping to be back some way, some day. See y’around.
Guy
I was planning on coming to hear the contest on the 24th. However, I am on the list! OH NO! Does that mean I have to pay to get in?
Colleen, save me a chair +3.
Ed, what can I do to get off the list? Never mind, I know better than to ask any man “what can I do?”
OK, everybody, just keep me on all the lists.
Lot’s of new stuff happening with “Haute Flash”. If anybody cares, go to the web site (hauteflash.biz) and check out the new band. New members, new pictures, and new energy. My new guitar player wrote “I Wanna Be Where The Boys Are” for Joan Jett. New Keyboard player, (Nancy is still in the band too) was a lead singer in a remake of The Mamas and the Papas! New drummer is a drum and percussion teacher at UCSD!
You all just wait until next year’s contest!
Shaaron — I’ll see what I can do.
Dave M. — Where’s the review? I thought by now I’d be reading all about it!
Boy… guess everybody is out enjoying the long holiday. Saturday on the blog was very, very quiet! Only one daughter reply from Dave M.
~~Peace
Where have all the bloggers gone, long time passing
Where have all the bloggers gone, long time ago!
Where have all the bloggers gone, gone to monsters every one
When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?
So lonely here in blogdom…dom….dom…dom
Can you hear the echo…echo…echo…echo?
I thought I would give you my critique of Patrone tomorrow when we are all waiting for Ed’s post… I’m late btw, just putting on my shoes.
Sorry, couldn’t get to Viejas tonight. Who won?
Alice won of course, now big toe has to play against himself> Way to Go! You deserve it!
We had a fun night and thanks to The Geezers guitar player letting us use his pedal. They said that we didn’t need to bring our amps but they don’t have an amp with a distorted channel and you can’t play Hendrix with a clean blues amp. Thanks again to everyone it was a fun night!!!
I can’t believe they didn’t win last year. they have a great show, Everyone needs to cheer them on in the next round!!
Congrats ACG! They were great last year!
I would like to be the first person today to say thank you to DP and all the other vets for all your service to our wonderful country! *** & —
Hope everybody remembers to drive carefully on this day and to not drink and drive. Believe me…. it’s very important to have you be here.
~~Peace
OK all, the dummy post is up if you want to start yapping about last night. Have at it. I’ll be here working and listening.
Ed
Judge 3
Same here, thanks to all our troops of today and past. Last night we played the national anthem in our set and dedicated it to our troops and my brother who gave his life in Vietnam for us. After thinking we were going to have to cancel the show because of no amp with distortion is was tough to keep it together. The stage manager said we had to let the other band start just as I came on stage with the pedal from the Geezer guitar player. Thanks again to Alice and the gang for the great show. We need to put a show together with Hendrix and Alice on one bill.
Ditto!
I’m a Navy Brat. Thanks to my DAD,STEPDAD, and GranDAD for their service.
Haute Flash is proud to have done several gigs for the Wounded Warriors. We are now working on a gig that will send us to the Middle East to entertain the troupes there.
Thank you too all that have served!
Oops! I forgot to mention my husband who is a Viet Nam era vet! Thanks to him too!
Sharon let me know when your next gig is. I did sound for you at the show on the aircraft carrier and the next one after that. You guys (women, gals,chicks..I call every one guys, I try not to see gender or color) rock!!!! I have updated my system too.
call me 760-917-2790
My dad was in WW2 and my grandfather was in WW1
I just noticed you spell it with 2 a’s, sorry Shaaron. and …
You “guys” rock!!!
Hey Dude! You did a fantastic job running sound for us! We will call whenever we need you. Thanks for the compliment! Check out the new band, it’s even better! We have several gigs in the making. You’ll hear from me.
Thank you guys, it was my pleasure to serve.
Semper Fi
DP